3d6 in order....

Ravengm · Post by **Ravengm** » Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:01 pm

Might as well roll something up too.

STR: 9
INT: 9
WIS: 5
DEX: 10
CON: 13
CHA: 13

Well, at least I don't get an HP penalty. The hell do I even do with this?

tussock · Post by **tussock** » Sat Sep 28, 2013 2:27 am

@virgil, Human Fighter for exceptional Str and the big HP mods, dual-class to Cleric early, then dual-class to Wizard later. Dual-wield some swords and throw darts 3/round at low level, and you still get to be a full caster at high level for almost zero cost. You win D&D.

@Ranvengm,
[*] OD&D Fighter as good as any other, called Nevar the First.
[*] 1st edition you're not done rolling, 3d6 in order is only allowed if you do it 12 times and pick the best character, or 6 times and pick one stat from each.
[*] 2nd edition you're there to create entertainment for the other players and the DM by playing up your character's mildly charismatic idiocy. It's ROLE-PLAYING, NOT ROLL-PLAYING, bitches.

I don't think any other game actually allows 3d6 in order for characters. Oh, wait.
[*] BD&D. You're +1 Con and +1 Cha with -2 Wis, so you may as well be a Thief and fuck around at the back of the party. Or lose your character sheet and re-write it from memory with better stats (which was a thing people really did back then, once "I rolled it up at home" had fallen from fashion).

MisterDee · Post by **MisterDee** » Sat Sep 28, 2013 2:56 am

Ravengm wrote:Might as well roll something up too.

STR: 9
INT: 9
WIS: 5
DEX: 10
CON: 13
CHA: 13

Well, at least I don't get an HP penalty. The hell do I even do with this?

Well, you can be a fighter - the fact that you're average at everything fightery will be a good thing once you get hit by an enemy charm person.

DSMatticus · Post by **DSMatticus** » Sat Sep 28, 2013 4:57 am

STR: 9
INT: 5
WIS: 10
DEX: 11
CON: 10
CHA: 4

The greatest thing about 3d6 roll in order is that, released from the burden of caring about your character or the game, you can have True Fun. I play a fighter, because it takes the least amount of additional work. I really don't give a fuck about attempting to contribute, because I am borderline-retarded incompetent meatshield #1. Most of my enjoyment will come from finding creative ways to misunderstand the party's plans and get other PC's (like those who rolled well) killed, as well as using my abysmal social graces and stupidity to commit potentially fatal faux pas (for the other party members, I mean) in every social encounter. Now, some people might think I'm just being vindictive and trying to sabotage the game because I'm being asked to play an extra in a bond film, but those people don't know how to play D&D - it's a little thing called roleplaying.

shadzar · Post by **shadzar** » Sat Sep 28, 2013 6:48 am

tussock wrote:
Shadzar wrote:you realize that 17 CHA for a paladin isnt really that crazy right? the 16 to a score bonus was pretty straight forward, so adding a point for another score isnt crazy at all when you make a half class.

I suspect this means 3d6 in order is OK because you can just swap your stats around and modify them upward with "not crazy" house rules until you get what you need anyway. Which is to say, 3d6 in order is fine if you don't use 3d6 in order. Or maybe it's just white noise.

tussock wrote:[*] 1st edition you're not done rolling, 3d6 in order is only allowed if you do it 12 times and pick the best character, or 6 times and pick one stat from each.

need i say more, or did you answer yourself and have already been to the emergency room to have your foot surgically removed from your mouth?

tussock · Post by **tussock** » Sat Sep 28, 2013 12:05 pm

Gee thanks Shadzar. Nice goalpost shift there.

Dear all, when Shadzar asks why we don't like 3d6 in order, he's actually referring to a couple of obscure 1st edition character rolling methods that were not anything of the sort, in that you could choose your stats, and the average was around 13-14, IIRC.

shadzar · Post by **shadzar** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:37 am

when did i say only roll the stats once?

i said the other was added, but didnt say that i recall it was anything other than 3d6 in order.

the thread isnt new so i dont recall every post, but i dont see anywhere i said only roll 6 dice. the roll methods from 1e DMG were brought up before you brought them up.

Grek · Post by **Grek** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:33 am

Roll dem bones:

Str: 15, Dex: 6, Con: 12, Int: 9, Wis: 7, Cha: 6

Kinda shitty. At least I rolled not-utterly-atrocious for strength?

RobbyPants · Post by **RobbyPants** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:48 pm

shadzar wrote:when did i say only roll the stats once?

i said the other was added, but didnt say that i recall it was anything other than 3d6 in order.

the thread isnt new so i dont recall every post, but i dont see anywhere i said only roll 6 dice. the roll methods from 1e DMG were brought up before you brought them up.

So you are saying that "Roll 3d6 in order" allows for re-rolls (six at a time), until you get the numbers you want? So, this is functionally identical to picking whatever numbers you want, other than the amount of time it takes to get those numbers?

Jesus.

Lago PARANOIA · Post by **Lago PARANOIA** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:15 pm

What's the upper limit on rerolls in shadzar's and Gary Gygax's system? Is there some kind of finite number? Is there a time limit? If there is, why isn't that shit in the rules? Why isn't there at least a 'the DM may or may not impose some sort of reroll limit or time limit; the typical value is 10 rerolls with 10 minutes' caveat?

See, this is the kind of shit that makes me despise and mock OSR grognards. They're not only deluded and willfully ignorant, they expect people to baby and gladhand their cognitive dissonance. If the 'roll 3d6 in order once and only once' isn't really how they expect you to play the game why don't they just fucking say so?

Why are OSR grognards more creepy and dishonest than FATALites? I mean, people who play Black Tokyo or CoC may be weird perverts, but they don't lie to my fucking face about what kind of game they want to play.

Ancient History · Post by **Ancient History** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:23 pm

So, would anybody actually be interested in a Conga Line of Death Let's Play?

virgil · Post by **virgil** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:30 pm

Sure. Can I keep my second set of rolls?

Avoraciopoctules · Post by **Avoraciopoctules** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:25 pm

Ancient History wrote:So, would anybody actually be interested in a Conga Line of Death Let's Play?

Let's Play? That means I don't need to do much of the work, right?

Ancient History · Post by **Ancient History** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:28 pm

Well, you'd still need to roll up your character(s), but I thought I'd try something a little less freeform than Crypts of Chaos.

Avoraciopoctules · Post by **Avoraciopoctules** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:46 pm

Sounds like it might be cool. Sure, so long as it isn't something I need to buy new rulebooks for. I've already shown a fair amount of disposability in my 3.x PCs, this shouldn't be too much of a stretch.

vagrant · Post by **vagrant** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:35 pm

Fuck it, I'm game.

Ancient History · Post by **Ancient History** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:37 pm

I was thinking of doing it old-school, actually. That way I could use the Encyclopedia Magica random item tables.

virgil · Post by **virgil** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:42 pm

Just tell me what books, house-rules, and other necessary information.

vagrant · Post by **vagrant** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:45 pm

So...3d6=12, 3d6=12, 3d6=11, 3d6=12, 3d6=13, 3d6=10

What is this I don't even. I'll call him Yusuf Averagius of Mediocritania. Why is he murder-hoboing? (Are we murder-hoboing?) Who cares! Die with honour little average whatever-the-fuck, die with honour.

Ancient History · Post by **Ancient History** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:54 pm

Well, here's my basic idea:

0) The system is Advanced Dungeons & Dragons. Any books or TSR-official material (Dragon, etc.) is available, you can use whatever you have, no need to buy anything else.

1) The players generate 4 1st-level PCs. Roll 3d6 in order, assign class, pick spells, buy equipment, etc.

2) The players as a group will guide the PCs through the Maze of Murder. I'll describe the layout, provide a number of options, and then the players vote on the action like we were doing a regular Let's Play of a gamebook. If none of the options are palatable, players can propose new options. I'll handle all the rolls and bookkeeping.

3) When one of the PCs dies, a new PC is created the same way to fill the void. (Hence "Conga Line of Death.")

4) Have Fun.

So, that's my concept.

vagrant · Post by **vagrant** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:59 pm

I like fun. Fun is good. I'm assuming 2nd ed AD&D? (Not that familiar with pre 3.x stuff, so I don't know if there are massive differences between 1ed and 2ed.)

Ancient History · Post by **Ancient History** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:01 pm

Yes, 2nd edition. So you can start out as a Bard, if the stats are right.

vagrant · Post by **vagrant** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:06 pm

Sneak, sneak sneakily along the path! I've never played a bard, this'll be fun.

vagrant · Post by **vagrant** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:41 pm

Aw, I can't be a bard. Minimum Cha for a bard is 15. I'll go with generalist wizzard because why not. Actually we need a healbot right? Cleric of er...let's see, what's the most generic human god there is...A good cleric of agriculture! So Pelor.

Ancient History · Post by **Ancient History** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:50 pm

AD&D 2nd Edition includes Dark Sun, Forgotten Realms, Greyhawk, Planescape, and Spelljammer. So feel free to go nuts. I'll start the LP thread in a little bit.